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		<title>by: Spyder</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-774</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I tend to agree with scott brown</description>
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		<title>by: Dean Cole</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-746</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>#  Andrew wrote:

Nice site. Kinda restores one’s faith in humanity.
Many times I’ve been ashamed to be white. Every time I think of the dragging death of Mr. Byrd in Texas in 1998, I feel a little sick. You can outlaw slavery, but you can’t legislate love.
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Feeling guilty or ashamed of being white because some knumbskull racists killed a man in Texas is beyond moronic.  Those white guys had nothing to do with you or your beliefs.  The only reason you might feel guilty is if you quietly wish you would have been there to help.  Your shame may be a deep root of your silent racism and hate for black people.  If so then you may want to seek help.
White Privilege!  Give me a break.  Everything that happens to anyone now days needs a root cause.  Someone can't get a job, White Privilege.  Some lady marries a guy that abuses her and suddenly all men are misogynists.  Life isn't an afternoon special, folks.  Take responsibility for your life, make something of yourself and add to this great experiment we have going called humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#  Andrew wrote:</p>
	<p>Nice site. Kinda restores one’s faith in humanity.<br />
Many times I’ve been ashamed to be white. Every time I think of the dragging death of Mr. Byrd in Texas in 1998, I feel a little sick. You can outlaw slavery, but you can’t legislate love.<br />
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	<p>Feeling guilty or ashamed of being white because some knumbskull racists killed a man in Texas is beyond moronic.  Those white guys had nothing to do with you or your beliefs.  The only reason you might feel guilty is if you quietly wish you would have been there to help.  Your shame may be a deep root of your silent racism and hate for black people.  If so then you may want to seek help.<br />
White Privilege!  Give me a break.  Everything that happens to anyone now days needs a root cause.  Someone can&#8217;t get a job, White Privilege.  Some lady marries a guy that abuses her and suddenly all men are misogynists.  Life isn&#8217;t an afternoon special, folks.  Take responsibility for your life, make something of yourself and add to this great experiment we have going called humanity.
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		<title>by: showa48</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-195</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;As a person of germanic descent I felt that I deserved reparations for the many long years my ancestors spent toiling away, unnoticed and often
horribly abused, for the Roman Empire. The Romans enslaved innocent people from their captured lands and made them do hard, servile, and often dangerous work ranging from building structures to fighting in the arena to the death. But when I asked the Italian government for reparations they told me to get lost.&quot;

That's very true; for two main reasons: 

1. If different branches of humanity had to start give reparations for past injustices, we would, in the name of fairness, be obliged to at least consider and identify ALL injustices. 

Japan should compensate BOTH koreas for the 1910-45 period, on a completely different scale than done hitherto, to take one example.

What about napoleonic France ? His armies plundered their way thru Europe!! 

...And DON'T even get me started on Mongolia!! The decsendants of Djengis and Kublai better start saving NOW and A LOT, because they have a lot of reperations to do in China!

And China......Start cough 'em up for bothering all the poor non-han chinese people (including tibetans) for centuries.

2. Who should get reparations?

Example: american blacks
Is Tiger Wood black?
Is Colin Powell?
Is Halle Berry?
Is Lenny Krawitz?



After identifying those injustices and the abused parts (in itself a heavy job, if there ever was one), we would have to go on to the HOW MUCH point, which is maybe even more critical... How do one measure &quot;human suffering&quot;? Is serfdom (existed in many nations in old days) better or worse than slavery? Does &quot;time since injustices was committed&quot; have anything to say?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;As a person of germanic descent I felt that I deserved reparations for the many long years my ancestors spent toiling away, unnoticed and often<br />
horribly abused, for the Roman Empire. The Romans enslaved innocent people from their captured lands and made them do hard, servile, and often dangerous work ranging from building structures to fighting in the arena to the death. But when I asked the Italian government for reparations they told me to get lost.&#8221;</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s very true; for two main reasons: </p>
	<p>1. If different branches of humanity had to start give reparations for past injustices, we would, in the name of fairness, be obliged to at least consider and identify ALL injustices. </p>
	<p>Japan should compensate BOTH koreas for the 1910-45 period, on a completely different scale than done hitherto, to take one example.</p>
	<p>What about napoleonic France ? His armies plundered their way thru Europe!! </p>
	<p>&#8230;And DON&#8217;T even get me started on Mongolia!! The decsendants of Djengis and Kublai better start saving NOW and A LOT, because they have a lot of reperations to do in China!</p>
	<p>And China&#8230;&#8230;Start cough &#8216;em up for bothering all the poor non-han chinese people (including tibetans) for centuries.</p>
	<p>2. Who should get reparations?</p>
	<p>Example: american blacks<br />
Is Tiger Wood black?<br />
Is Colin Powell?<br />
Is Halle Berry?<br />
Is Lenny Krawitz?</p>
	<p>After identifying those injustices and the abused parts (in itself a heavy job, if there ever was one), we would have to go on to the HOW MUCH point, which is maybe even more critical&#8230; How do one measure &#8220;human suffering&#8221;? Is serfdom (existed in many nations in old days) better or worse than slavery? Does &#8220;time since injustices was committed&#8221; have anything to say?
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-194</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As a person of germanic descent I felt that I deserved reparations for the many long years my ancestors spent toiling away, unnoticed and often
horribly abused, for the Roman Empire. The Romans enslaved innocent people from their captured lands and made them do hard, servile, and often dangerous work ranging from building structures to fighting in the arena to the death. But when I asked the Italian government for reparations they told me to get lost. 

What's the deal. 

My ancestors worked under very similar conditions to those of the American slaves. Except I don't recall American slaves ever being forced, under pain of death, to fight to the death against rabid, wild animals for entertainment.

It's like a huge double standard. 

 Only about 1/5 of American slaves worked in the U.S, the rest went to harvest sugarcane or coffee in Latin America. But I have never heard of the Cuban government being asked to pay reparations.

It's as if the U.S having slaves is so much worse than other countries having slaves.

NEWS FLASH: Slavery is unfair no matter what the circumstances!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a person of germanic descent I felt that I deserved reparations for the many long years my ancestors spent toiling away, unnoticed and often<br />
horribly abused, for the Roman Empire. The Romans enslaved innocent people from their captured lands and made them do hard, servile, and often dangerous work ranging from building structures to fighting in the arena to the death. But when I asked the Italian government for reparations they told me to get lost. </p>
	<p>What&#8217;s the deal. </p>
	<p>My ancestors worked under very similar conditions to those of the American slaves. Except I don&#8217;t recall American slaves ever being forced, under pain of death, to fight to the death against rabid, wild animals for entertainment.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s like a huge double standard. </p>
	<p> Only about 1/5 of American slaves worked in the U.S, the rest went to harvest sugarcane or coffee in Latin America. But I have never heard of the Cuban government being asked to pay reparations.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s as if the U.S having slaves is so much worse than other countries having slaves.</p>
	<p>NEWS FLASH: Slavery is unfair no matter what the circumstances!
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		<title>by: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-193</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nice site. Kinda restores one's faith in humanity.
Many times I've been ashamed to be white. Every time I think of the dragging death of Mr. Byrd in Texas in 1998, I feel a little sick. You can outlaw slavery, but you can't legislate love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nice site. Kinda restores one&#8217;s faith in humanity.<br />
Many times I&#8217;ve been ashamed to be white. Every time I think of the dragging death of Mr. Byrd in Texas in 1998, I feel a little sick. You can outlaw slavery, but you can&#8217;t legislate love.
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		<title>by: Yolanda Carrington</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-192</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I discovered your site a couple of months ago. It's extremely difficult to find perspectives or even basic information about racism and white supremacy in any form of media, so this find was a godsend for me. I've been intending to write a response to you all for a while now, but I've hesitated out of uncertainty of what I would say. 

Racism, white supremacy, misogyny and the like have a way of silencing you, of literally muzzling you so that you can't speak up. Until the day you actively rise up to resist these scourges, they seem normal, natural even. But you always feel at the end of the day that shit is sickening, and wrong, even when you don't consciously know it. You try to justify the fact that you're hurting on the inside to yourself every day, or that it's all in your mind, but the hurt is still there, all the same. On top of everything else, you're made to feel guilty or selfish for all the anger and pain that you don't want anyway. You're a whore, you're trash, you're less than shit, but you still have the same responsibilities and expectations to fufill as &quot;everyone else,&quot; with none of the power. That's what being Black in America is about, what being a woman anywhere in the world is about. In the meantime you hide from the universe in order to feel safe, while still anticipating a painful, humiliating death. 

You know from the disgusting sentiments of people around you that this is a lurking possibility. You know, it's galling to watch your fellow humans clinging so desperately to a power they don't really have. What is it inside them that causes them to hold such a nauseating contempt for you? How could they ever think that your sheer existence is a threat to their well-being? Where does this vitriolic hate come from? Some greedy bastard from way up top a long time ago made this nonsense up to keep the rest of us humans down. How did that cynical manipulation turn into such caustic hate? And what exactly are they gaining from it? A lifetime of crass, superficial privilege? That's all! Was it worth it? All that for the inability to connect, to empathize with human pain, to feel anything beyond jealousy, anger, and resentment. I couldn't imagine what rational human being would want to hold onto that. But I guess racism and misogyny destroy any potential for rationality. Unfathomable.

Thank you, Kendall Clark, for this site. Please don't let go of this struggle. Most of us couldn't not survive the consequences if you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I discovered your site a couple of months ago. It&#8217;s extremely difficult to find perspectives or even basic information about racism and white supremacy in any form of media, so this find was a godsend for me. I&#8217;ve been intending to write a response to you all for a while now, but I&#8217;ve hesitated out of uncertainty of what I would say. </p>
	<p>Racism, white supremacy, misogyny and the like have a way of silencing you, of literally muzzling you so that you can&#8217;t speak up. Until the day you actively rise up to resist these scourges, they seem normal, natural even. But you always feel at the end of the day that shit is sickening, and wrong, even when you don&#8217;t consciously know it. You try to justify the fact that you&#8217;re hurting on the inside to yourself every day, or that it&#8217;s all in your mind, but the hurt is still there, all the same. On top of everything else, you&#8217;re made to feel guilty or selfish for all the anger and pain that you don&#8217;t want anyway. You&#8217;re a whore, you&#8217;re trash, you&#8217;re less than shit, but you still have the same responsibilities and expectations to fufill as &#8220;everyone else,&#8221; with none of the power. That&#8217;s what being Black in America is about, what being a woman anywhere in the world is about. In the meantime you hide from the universe in order to feel safe, while still anticipating a painful, humiliating death. </p>
	<p>You know from the disgusting sentiments of people around you that this is a lurking possibility. You know, it&#8217;s galling to watch your fellow humans clinging so desperately to a power they don&#8217;t really have. What is it inside them that causes them to hold such a nauseating contempt for you? How could they ever think that your sheer existence is a threat to their well-being? Where does this vitriolic hate come from? Some greedy bastard from way up top a long time ago made this nonsense up to keep the rest of us humans down. How did that cynical manipulation turn into such caustic hate? And what exactly are they gaining from it? A lifetime of crass, superficial privilege? That&#8217;s all! Was it worth it? All that for the inability to connect, to empathize with human pain, to feel anything beyond jealousy, anger, and resentment. I couldn&#8217;t imagine what rational human being would want to hold onto that. But I guess racism and misogyny destroy any potential for rationality. Unfathomable.</p>
	<p>Thank you, Kendall Clark, for this site. Please don&#8217;t let go of this struggle. Most of us couldn&#8217;t not survive the consequences if you did.
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		<title>by: Redman</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-191</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good one Dean......that's what i says.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good one Dean&#8230;&#8230;that&#8217;s what i says.
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		<title>by: Dean</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-190</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have taken a quote from Kendall Clark, in one of the above retorts.  If you reverse black to white in his response you will see why many whites really don't see a problem.
First here is the original post.
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I've lost out on two great careers, with a college degree (and I am the only family member in my lineage to get a degree) because of affrimative action regulations;

Well, so you say. These kinds of claims are *very* hard to warrant. Do you mean that a non-White person got a job or promotion and you didn't get it? So what? How's that different than losing a job or promotion to a White person? Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what.
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Now reverse the quote
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I've lost out on two great careers, with a college degree (and I am the only family member in my lineage to get a degree) because of the legacy of slavery&quot;

&quot;Well, so you say. These kinds of claims are *very* hard to warrant. Do you mean that a White person got a job or promotion and you didn't get it? So what? How's that different than losing a job or promotion to a Black person? Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have taken a quote from Kendall Clark, in one of the above retorts.  If you reverse black to white in his response you will see why many whites really don&#8217;t see a problem.<br />
First here is the original post.<br />
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I&#8217;ve lost out on two great careers, with a college degree (and I am the only family member in my lineage to get a degree) because of affrimative action regulations;</p>
	<p>Well, so you say. These kinds of claims are *very* hard to warrant. Do you mean that a non-White person got a job or promotion and you didn&#8217;t get it? So what? How&#8217;s that different than losing a job or promotion to a White person? Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what.<br />
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	<p>Now reverse the quote<br />
&#8212;-<br />
I&#8217;ve lost out on two great careers, with a college degree (and I am the only family member in my lineage to get a degree) because of the legacy of slavery&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Well, so you say. These kinds of claims are *very* hard to warrant. Do you mean that a White person got a job or promotion and you didn&#8217;t get it? So what? How&#8217;s that different than losing a job or promotion to a Black person? Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what&#8221;<br />
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		<title>by: Joseph Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-189</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;wahhh&quot; what?!
&quot;why don't you ...?&quot;

I am not surprised that these &quot;   &quot; folk in their et al, convictions would mimic that of a crying child, after-all, wouldn't you be angry if someone asked you to pay something back you thought- you got away with?

Here too is the other irony - when the these folks make their case internationally on sites like these- they often forget that blacks are not the only group they have harmed, de facto-
any group not exploited or railroaded or otherwise empoverised by white supremacey please rise...&quot;  : ) then , please &quot;wahhh&quot; now plase be seated. 

you clowns make me laugh - you should know real issues affect real people, and if you are not affected by tese issues chances are, you are the cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;wahhh&#8221; what?!<br />
&#8220;why don&#8217;t you &#8230;?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I am not surprised that these &#8221;   &#8221; folk in their et al, convictions would mimic that of a crying child, after-all, wouldn&#8217;t you be angry if someone asked you to pay something back you thought- you got away with?</p>
	<p>Here too is the other irony - when the these folks make their case internationally on sites like these- they often forget that blacks are not the only group they have harmed, de facto-<br />
any group not exploited or railroaded or otherwise empoverised by white supremacey please rise&#8230;&#8221;  : ) then , please &#8220;wahhh&#8221; now plase be seated. </p>
	<p>you clowns make me laugh - you should know real issues affect real people, and if you are not affected by tese issues chances are, you are the cause.
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		<title>by: Redman</title>
		<link>http://whiteprivilege.com/2002/06/10/the-proudest-privilege/#comment-188</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what.&quot;

Couldn't have said it better myself Kendall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Point is, you lost it. Life is all about not getting what one wants. So what.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself Kendall.
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